-000200798 UNCLASSIFIED ACCT FBLD-EWDK ST CONTROLS UNCLAS_3B/FAX SPY INQUIRE-DOC32D ITEM NO-00594603 ENVELOPE CDSN - CFSS37 MCN - 95307/15706 TOR - 953071236 RATUZYUW RUDI24KA9027 3071236-UUUU--RUEANSS, ZNR UUUUU ZYN HEADER R 031208Z NOV 95 FM FBIS LONDON UK TO RUCWAAA/FBIS.RESTON VA RHHMMCY/JICPAC HONOLULU HI RUCMACC/CDR PSYOPGP FT BRAGG NC//ASOF-POG-SB// RUCWAAA/FBIS RESTON VA//CI// RUDHNIS/DIRNAVCRIMINVSERV WASHINGTON DC RUDKMKB/FBIS LONDON UK//BBC// RUDMONI/ONI WASHINGTON DC//2140// RUDPMAX/FAISA FT BRAGG NC RUDPWDC/DA AMHS WASHINGTON DC RUEAIIS/STORAGE CENTER FBIS RESTON VA RUEALGX/DEFINTAGNCY WASH DC RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHINGTON DC//DS/CMI/CI// RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHINGTON DC//INR/CEE// RUESMF/FBIS MOSCOW RS RUETIAV/MPC FT GEO G MEADS MD RUHBABA/CG III MEF//G-2// RUWTAEA/NAIC WRIGHT PATTERSON AFB OH//TAI// /rrtrrrrrtrr THIS IS A COMBINED MESSAGE rrrrtrrrwrrt~ BODY PASS: COPY TO COUNTRY: RUSSIA SUBJ: TAKE 1 OF 2 -- PHYSICIST SEES UTO'S AS CIA DEVICE SOURCE: MOSCOW KOMSOMOLSKAYA PRAVDA IN RUSSIAN 1 NOV 95 P 3 TEXT: INTERVIEW WITH PHYSICIST PAVEL POLUYAN BY YURIY BBLIKOV IN PERM; DATE NOT SPA: EXTRATERRESTRIALS ARE CIA'S SECRET PLAY" -- FIRST PARAGRIM IS INTRODUCTION FBIS TEANSLATRD TBXT PEN -- HAVING READ IN KOMSOMOLSKAYA PRAVDA ABOUT THS "REACTIVATED" ANOMALY ZONE NEAR MOLEEKA IN THE PERM REGION, THE KRASNOYARSK PHYSICIST PAVEL POLUYAN SENT A LETTER: "I AM TIRED OF MY SILENCE SUPPORTING THE MOST IMPRESSIVE MYSTIFICATION. Approved for Release C00200798 PAGE:0002 OF THE 20TH CENTURY. THERE ARE NO ALIENS OR FLYING SAUCERS. TRSRE ARE FLYING MACHINES DESIGNED IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR CENTURY BY PEOPLE. THESE AIRCRAFT' ARE' BEING USED FOR INTELLIGENCE PURPOSES IN A REGIME OF EXTREME SECRECY." PAVEL POLUYAN'S STORY SEEMED SERIOUS TO ME AND WE AGREED ON AN INTERVIEW. BELIKOV PAVEL, YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE NO ALIENS AND FLYING SAUCERS. WHAT IS THERE, THEN'? ARE KHAROVSK NEAR VOLOGDA AND MOLEBKA NEAR PERM REALLY INTRIGUES BY THE IMPERIALISTS? POLUYAN THE ALIENS BOOM WHICH WE LIVED THROUGH WITH DIFFICULTY AT THE BEGINNING OF PSRESTROYKA WAS NOTHING BUT A CIA ACTION TO DESTABILIZE PUBLIC CONSCIOUSNESS. I SEE THE ITEMS ABOUT UPO'S AS AN ATTEMPT TO INTERPRET OF WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. NATURALLY, ALL TALK ABOUT THE "CRASH OF UFO'S" IN NEW MEXICO AND OF HOW THEIR DEBRIS AND THE BODIES OF HUMANOIDS ARE KEPT AT U.S. MILITARY BASES HAVE A GROUNDING IN FACT. BUT THEY HERB ENTIRELY EARTHLY VEHICLES. ANY DESIGNER AND MODEL MAKER CAN MAKE A MODEL OF A SMALL FLYING SAUCER AT HOME. OF COURSE, IT WILL NOT FLY BUT IT WILL LEAP ABOUT ENTERTAININGLY (THIS MODEL IS KNOWN TO DESIGNERS AS THE "RYVOK"). IT IS TRUE THAT THERE IS AN ENORMOUS WAY TO GO FROM A MODEL TO A REAL AIRCRAFT. SO IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO CREATE THE PRESENT "UFO'S." THERE ARE NO SPECIAL SECRETS HERE. ZHUKOVSKIY WOULD SAY: "IN THE AIR THERE IS SUPPORT EVERYWHERE." AS WE KNOW, AIRCRAFT EMBODIED THE PRINCIPLE OF AERODYNAMIC BUOYANCY. THE SECOND PRINCIPLE REMAINED UNUSED BY MASS TECHNOLOGY. BUT AT THE BEGINNING OF AIRCRAFT BUILDING THEY TRIED TO USE IT. YOU REMEMBER THE NEWSREEL SCENES: A STRUCTURE REMINISCENT OF AN UMBRELLA LEAPS UP AND DOWN, SOMETIMES REMAINS HANGING, BUT DOES NOT ACTUALLY TAKE OFF? THIS IDEA GOT NOWHERE. TIME WAS NEEDED TO DEVELOP AND EMBODY IT. BELIKOV FOR INSTANCE? POLUYAN IF. WE TAKE A POWERFUL ELECTROMR(OW AND PLACE -A SHSST OF ANY PARAMAGNET (ALUMINUM, TITANIUM, OR MAGNESIUM) ON IT THEN WHEN THE MAGNETIC FIELD IS SWITCHED ON THE SHEET WILL BE REPELLED. THAT IS THE PRINCIPLE. BUT WHERE IS THE COMPLICATION? FIRST, THE STRUCTURE IS RATHER HEAVY. SECOND, THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THE ENERGY SOURCE. BUT PHYSICS KNOWS THE FORMULA OF HEAD RESISTANCE WHOSE FORCE IS PROPORTIONAL TO THE AREA OF THE SUPPORT BASS, THE AIR VOLUME, AND THE SPEED SQUARED. THE GREATER THE SPEED TUB GREATER THE HEAD RESISTANCE WILL BE. WITH THIS VEHICLE (I SHALL NOT CALL IT A "SAUCER" BUT A "RYVOK") THE OSCILLATIONS OF THE FUSELAGE WINGS ARE NOT SMOOTH AND OCCASIONAL BUT VERY BRIEF AND RAPID. SO THAT THE DISPLACEMENT IS NOT BY A CENTIMETER BUT BY TINY FRACTIONS OF A MILLIMETER. A QUITS RAPID SPEED DEVELOPS. WITH SIGH FREQUENCY FUSELAGE OSCILLATIONS THERE IS AIR IONIZATION. THAT IS WHY "UM' So APPEAR TO BL. , ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT. ESSENTIALLY THE ELECTRICITY IIR AROUND THE FUSELAGE IS USED IN TARN TO-FEED THE DEVICE ITSSL' TO ENSURE THE VEHICLE'S CONSTANT OPERATION. OF COURSE, THIS40& A BRILLIANT SOLUTION BY THE SECRET DESIGNERS. THE VEHICLE WAS OST1I3BLY EFFECTIVE BUT IT WAS USED NARROWLY. IT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR TRANSPORTING PASSENGERS. IT CANNOT CARRY HEAVY FREIGHT. IN THE MILITARY RESPECT TOO THE "RYVOK" PROVED NON-COMBAT CAPABLE: HOW COULD ONE FIRE FROM IT? FIRING BULLETS WOULD UPSET -C00200798 PAGE: 0003 THE BALANCE OF tum OSCILLATIONS. THE ONLY AVENUE FOR ITS USE LAY IN INTELLIGENCE. TSS INFILTRATION AND INSERTION OF SPIES, AND FUNCTIONS OF A PSYCIOLOGICAL NATURE. BELIKOV IN YOUR OPINION, DID THEY LAUNCH THE FIRST SAUCER? POLUYAN IN THE LATE FORTIES. /rrwrr: REP: BEGINNING OF TAKE 002 ******/ MM0311120895 MOSCOW KOMSOMOLSKAYA PRAVDA RUSSIAN 1 NOV///THE LATE FORTIES. FBIS TRANSLATED TEXT BELIKOV YOU CLAIM THIS WAS TUB WORK OF THE AMERICANS. BUT IF WE GO ALONG WITH YOUR STORY SURELY WE WERE BREATHING DOWN THEIR NECKS? .POLUYAN AT FIRST OUR PEOPLE WERE TAKEN IN BY THE STORY OF THE "ALIENS" BUT THEN THEY GOT TO THINKING ABOUT IT. AND SOMEWHERE IN THE LATE SIXTIES SIMILAR AIRCRAFT APPEARED IN OUR COUNTRY. I CAN OT EVEN SPECIFY WHERE THEY MADE TEST FLIGHTS. IF IT A CASE OF THE GEOGRAPHY OF THE "RYVKI" THEN IT IS PERM OBLAST, IN THE SO-CALLED "M" TRIANGLE, MOLEBKA. IN THIS CONNECTION IT IS USEFUL TO RECALL THE PERM INVENTOR NAMED TOLCHIN,?WHO APPEARED AT THAT TIME. HE CREATED uINERTIOIDS." LATER HIS WORK WAS STRICTLY SUPPRESSED. AND NO ONE HEARD ANY MORE ABOUT IT. AT ONE TIME SIMILAR IDEAS WERE MOOTED IN THE SOVIET PRESS AND THEN THE "INFORMATION LEAK" WAS CUT OFF. AT WHAT STAGE THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE IN OUR COUNTRY NOW I DO NOT KNOW. BELIKOV PAVEL, I HOPE YOU REALIZE THAT YOUR STATEMENT REGARDING THE "CELSTIAL" ACTIVITY OF THE U.S. SPECIAL SERVICES ON THE-TERRITORY OF THE-FORMER SOVIET --UNION -AND -PRESENT-DAY RUSSIA LOOKS SOLD TO SOME PEOPLE AND RATHER TRAGICOMIC TO OTHERS. BUT A STORY IS A STORY. WE SHALL NOT DENY IT NOW OR SEEK ADDITIONAL- ARGUMENTS FOR IT. CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHY WE, WHO WERE THE FIRST TO 00 INTO SPACE, SUDDENLY LAGGED BEHIND THE AMERICANS IN CREATING "RYVKI?" POLUYAN THE CREATION OF THE "RYVKI" IS A BUSINESS NOT FOR THEORISTS BUT FOR PRACTICAL EXPERTS. THEIR OPERATION REVEALED MANY PHYSICAL EFFECTS WHICH DID NOT FIT VERY WELL INTO EXISTX) THEORIES. AS WE KNOW, MODERN PHYSICS IS IN A DEEP THEORETICAL IMPASSE. WHEN I WAS STUDYING THE OF PRY ICS I WROTE A LOT ABOUT IT AND ALMOST DEFENDED MY DISSERTATION ON THE SUBJECT. FROM TER VIEWPOINT OF ALTERNATIVE PHYSICS AIRCRAFT ARE ONLY LITTLE SEEDS. MORE FANTASTIC TECERICAL ACXMZPM= ARE POSSIBLE. IT IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION S H SHALL WITNESS THEM. INTERVIEW IS ACCOMPANIED BY A PHOTOGRAPH RE INSET-SHAPED VEHICLE WITS THE FOLLOWING CAPTION: "THIS 'FLYIR $AM=' CREATED BY DESIGNERS AT THE 'EKXP' AVIATION FIRM AND ANIMMV AVIATION PLANT HAS ALREADY TAKEN OFF. IT IS NOT OUT OF TER OUIB?ION THAT IN THE 21ST CENTURY AIRCRAFT WINOS WILL BECOME UNNECESSARY." THIS REPORT MY CONTAIN COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL. COPYING AND DISSEMINATION IS PROHIBITED WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE COPYRIGHT UNCLASSIFIED r0002OO798 USCLASSIFIED OWNERS. ADMIN (ENDALL) 01 IiON 03/1236Z NOV W407 BT